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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA

Post  Prechaya on Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:50 pm

The book 'Way of Seeing' informed me about how "The invention of the camera changed the way man saw" (page 18). John Berger, the writer noted that after the convention of perspective in the early Reinaissance, "Perspective makes the single eye the centre of the visible world" (page 16), but "The camera -- and more particularly the movie camera -- demonstrated that there was no centre" (page 18). I agree with these ideas. Perspective in the painting only makes us 'feel' like we are a part of the painting by giving a centre and venishing point, but camara can do more than that. According to an article of Dziga Vertov, it is interesting that the writer wrote in camera's point of view, he said that "Freed from the boundaries of time and space, I co-ordinate any and all points of the universe, wherever I want them to be" (page 17). Camera's pictures not only tell you what is in the picture, what was happening, but they sometimes tell "What you saw depend upon where you were when. What you saw was relative to your position in time and space"(page 18). Meaning that the camera can link you to your experiences or your imagination.

Nevertheless, painting still has more valued than photograph because it is harder to create, harder to copy, and it is unique -- no one has as same painting as yours. In contrast, being easy to access is also a strength point of camera's picture. "Because of the camera, the painting now travels to the spectator rather than the spectator to the painting. In its travels, its meaning is diversified." (page 20).


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Berger,J. (1972).Way of Seeing.British Broadcasting Corporation and Penguin Books Ltd.

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Global art history response

Post  Rossarin on Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:59 pm

According to the book ’Ways of Seeing’, by John Berger. I agree that, “Seeing comes before words. The child looks and recognizes before it can speak”(p.7) I think this is because people can easily understand with picture, graph, and chart more than pages that contain only words.

John Berger stated that “The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe”(p.Cool People see and judge things differently because every individuals have their own background, culture and experience etc.
The way of seeing can expressed in several ways like how photographer capture their frames to demonstrate the idea in their own point of view or even how painters make marks on the canvas to determine the meaning.(p.10) We will understand those photograph and painting differently depends also upon our own way of seeing.(p.10)

“A cornfield with birds flying out of it (Wheatfield With Crows)” painted by Vincent Van Gogh before he committed a suicide is a good example for the idea of word can alter the way we see things.(p.27-28)

After the invention of camera, people get to know more artwork beside the museum, which there is very few people visit nowadays.(p.24) The birth of camera invented new style of modern art such as pop art but on the other hand the use of technology can also decrease the value of the artwork because of the ability to reproduce.

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Berger,J. (1972).Way of Seeing.British Broadcasting Corporation and Penguin Books Ltd.

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Post  Praewa on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:02 pm

The nature of human as what written in Berger’s book that said; we never look at just one thing; we are always looking at the relation between things and ourselves (1972, p.9). It is true how we are not focusing on just one thing. People have different way of seeing which is depends on; what we know or what we believe (Berger, 1972, p.8 ). Every picture reflected way people see the world and uniqueness until the invention of camera era started. ‘It is no longer to be found in what it says, but in what it is’ (Berger, 1972, p.21). Not only does camera has effect the way people look but also on other essential; ‘the worlds have quoted the paintings to confirm their own verbal authority (Berger, 1972, p.28)

I couldn’t agree more on the previous comment of Khim that said
‘’Words can also alter the way we see things. For example, the landscape painting of “a cornfield with birds flying out of it (Wheatfield With Crows)” painted by Vincent Van Gogh will seem normal to us without the text mentioning that he painted this before he committed a suicide (p. 27-28).’’ because it is the other consideration that destroy true meaning of the painting itself.

On the other hand I disagree with Sirada on her comment ‘’ Cameras make many paintings become worldwide .The travel for such an artwork makes it more precious as to how we must struggle and become exhausted, in some cases, to view such beauty. With cameras, everything is at our hand, we do not need to walk or drove for miles just to see such an artwork since we can see them either on newspaper or from postcards. ‘‘ Although cameras make many painting become famous but from this quote said that ‘’ The meaning of the original work no longer lies in what it uniquely says but in what it uniquely is’’ (Burger, 1972, p.21) indicates that meaning of genuine work devalue by reproduce painting.

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Berger, J. (1972). Way Of Seeing, 35 Marylebone High Street, London: British Broadcasting Corporation.

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Post  jidapa t. on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:09 pm

"seeing comes before words."(p.7) I really comform with this forum in the passage. In realistic the sense of seeing can evaluate data faster than the sense of speaking because the speaking sense has to send two signals that go through the brain and back to the mouth as the sound. When you saying words the process that the brain use to interpret is longer than the eyes.
"The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe."(p.Cool In the present, we can see the differences of believe in people around the world. In Thailand the influence of thought in policy has spread widely. As everyone can see many throng has began to grow up in the past few year according to each believe in the way they are seeing. The forum tells us that the believe and knowledge that spread out to educate people can control their thought and mind.

Berger , John . Ways of Seeing . London : British Broadcasting Corporation, 1972. Print.

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Response Chapter 1-2

Post  chanaporn sutharoj on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:10 pm

As in the book Ways of Seeing by John Berger, I also agree with “The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe” (p.9) The way people see things are different according to their believes and their thoughts. For example most teenager boys think piercing is cool and fashionable, but in the other hand elder people like our parents or grandparents think that it is unacceptable and they think it is not good-looking. Nowadays things changed that make teenagers see things different from the way the elders used to see when they were young. This is why the way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe.

Berger, John. Ways of Seeing. London: Penguin, 2008.

I totally agree with Thavisa on her quote that "Seeing comes before words", this is something common in everyday life (p.7) because knowing someone we actually know their appearance first before we got deep to their personality and background. This is similar to the paintings where we actually look at the art work first before we know its background and detail.

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reply to John Berger's commentary

Post  Ajana on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:18 pm

“Ways of Seeing” is basically about the ways people perceive art which John Berger has greatly shown that different people have different ideas thoughts. In my opinion, ways of seeing is also depending of emotion, perception as well. For example, children might not see things as the adults do, this is because it probably that they have never seen it before or could be other reasons. The writer also give us the interesting points such as the idea that arts do not shows the real ad hidden meaning of the picture as in the past which it greatly shows that the paintings have already lost the value in it.

As many others had agreed, and so do I, that “Seeing comes before words” (p.7), it creates the criticism in which why seeing comes first? This relates to the point that I had mentioned above that it also depends on emotion, perception. The great example is, for example, when people see a lion, they will run away before they even think about why they scare. This is because they know that the lion is a dangerous animal, just like arts. People know how to react when they first see them. Lastly, he also mentioned about the about the value when people try to copy the original pieces which shows that as there are too many copies of art works, it will destroy the value of the original pieces and night not be seen again in the future.

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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA

Post  Korapin on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:26 pm

People have different perspective of seeing things. ‘The way we see thing is affected by what we know or what we believe’ (p.Cool. People from different times, experiences and environments would probably have distinct ideas on the same thing they see. These factors give the world diversity from our sight, which establish our place in the surrounding world (p.7). We see, translate, and explain it to others, give our view of what we see to the world. These ideas give value and meaning to things around us. For example, Leonardo’s “The Virgin and Child with St Anne and St John the Baptist” became very famous after an American wanted to buy it at two and a half million pounds (p.23). Because this American sees the value of the painting, while others may not see it, value of the painting changes by perspectives of different people.
After reading these chapters, I learned that our ways of seeing have very strong influence on our surrounding. It values and gives diversity to things around us.

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Response chapter 1-2

Post  Soravit Boonchit on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:33 pm

The meaning of an image is change due to the invention of camera. the reproduction of an image makes it less uniqueness. John Berger states clearly that ' what the modern means of reproduction have done is to destroy the authority of art and to remove it' (p.32)
I agree with his statement. In my opinion, arts is something that is create to share. I believe that we initially create art to share and express emotion and thoughts, its not to be sold priclessly. the paintings should have its value as the original artworks have its own uniqueness and importance. all of us should appreciate the value of the artwork. In the past, we appreciate an image because of what it shows and the meaning of it. Unlike the present, the image 'has become impressive , mysterious because its market value' (p.23) what should valued the artwork should be the quality and the meanings as each piece of artworks are created for a reason.

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Berger, J (1972). Ways Of Seeing. British Boardcasting Coporation and Penguin Books, 7-34. Print.

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Response to 'Way of seeing' Chapter 1-2 by John Berger

Post  Nutrada Syncharoen on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:41 pm

John Barger starts his first chapter with a very interesting quote, “Seeing comes before words.”(p.7) It is very true that we see thing before we speak. To see is not only seeing physical objects that sits in front of you but also, seeing is also imagination that you create, words and image in our thoughts. “The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe.”(Berger, 1972, p.Cool Therefore,each person have different perception. We perceive objects based on the social that we are in.
I totally agree with Prewa Samachai when she said that, “Not only does camera has effect the way people look but also on the other essential; ‘the worlds have quoted the painting to confirm their own verbal authority (Berger, 1972, p.28)”.
Camera has taken away the uniqueness of art. In my opinion, art is beautiful not only its outcome but also its process. This invention has changed the perception of the world towards art.

Berger, John . Ways of seeing. British Boardcasting Corporation and Penguin Books, 7-34. Print.

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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA (Channop Chorchaiyatid)

Post  haagendoz on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:45 pm

It is so true from the book ''The child looks and recognizes before it can speak'' because people can begin to learn about picture and think about what they see first. For example when I was really young and couldn't speak anything even read the words so I started to see the picture of an ant then I would recognize that the first letter in english I learnt was A. Now I can remember the whole letter in English and know how to make a word from the picture I have seen before.
The location and surroundings will also affected the image as our eyes ‘ never look at just one thing; we always looking at the relation between things ourselves’ (p.9). If a painting were hang at our living room instead the museum, we will get a different feelings and therefore the meanings of the image will change.
I literally agree, that If you try to move one sofa from your living room to your friend's room there must be a different feeling on that way that is why I think the location can be totally affected the image as out eyes. However, I believe that there is also another sense in which seeing comes before words. It is seeing which establishes our place in the entire world.


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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA

Post  Nattan on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:47 pm

I’ll really appreciate that from the book ,ways of seeing by John Berger , I second that the idea of how people see and judge things differently depending on their cultures , beliefs , experiences , knowledge , etc . No doubt about that seeing comes before words. At first seeing is the first communication in life, the child looks and recognizes before it can speaks (p.7). The author is so sensible that use a child as a comparison for this passage. In my opinion child and mature are alike, they have first impression by seeing. It’s not exactitude. If you ask me I have neither talk nor becoming friend with someone who I have bad impression. The fact that different people have different thinking just in one object. Picture is one way of representing and expressing our perspective, in one picture can make many people in many feels e.g. enthusiasm, compliment, discrepancy, etc. The value of ancient picture is more than price result from means and unique although ancestor made it by easier method than today. Finally, I can’t agree more.

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Chapter 1-2 response

Post  Ayuthai on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:49 pm

After I finished the first two chapters of "The ways of
seeing", The first things that got my attention is "Seeing comes before words"
(p.7). it's quiet interesting, but true, that people always look at things
before trying to understand them. Also, I couldn't agree more with "the way we see things is affected
by what we know or what we believe" (P.8 ). Because everybody experienced
things differently from others such as cultures, believes, socials, etc.
that's why we seeing things in our own perspective.

According to "because of the camera, the painting now travels to the spectator rather
than the spectator to the painting."(1972, p.20).
Since the first camera have been used on paintings, those paintings starts
to lose its values.Because people can see the photos of it from anywhere at
anytime.In the past people spend their time traveled to the museums or
galleries in order to see those paintings there are looking for but
nowadays, people started to change their lifestyle because of technologies;
internet, televisions, newspapers,etc. which allow them to see almost
everything in the world easily.

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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA

Post  Alliya on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:54 pm

John Berger starts off his book, 'Ways of Seeing', with a remarkable quote; "seeing comes before words" (7). It's true that as people, the we first see before we can process the sight into words that describes it. He states that the way we see things is different for everyone depending on what be believe or know (Berger 8 ). I believe our perception dictated not only by those but also by our background, culture, experiences, and emotions as well. As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words and each person's uniqueness allows the person to draw different words from the exact same picture. Sight goes beyond words as sometimes there are no words that can describe its exactness. Berger points out that every image, drawn or taken by a camera, reflects a person's view of the subject (10). A photographer shows his view by the subject and the angle he takes the picture; an artist shows by each stroke of his paintbrush (Berger 10). I completely agree since each has their own choice making up the composition. They show their views by placing the elements in order, emphasizing some while hiding other according to their values.

Berger states that assumptions of pictures we view as art further mystifies its meaning rather then help clarify it, as we try to situate ourselves in the history of the painting rather than the painting itself (11). This strays us from understanding the picture the way the artist meant for it to express.

The next topic Berger mentions in the invention of the camera. "The invention of the camera changed the way men saw" (Berger 18) With the camera came reproduction of images that makes the image itself loose originality and uniqueness and becomes common (Berger 19). The reproductions looses the meaning that were drawn into the original painting (Berger 21). I think the feeling of an copy is not the same which distorts the picture's meaning. The artist puts their thought, their emotions in each stroke of the painting; something that could not be reproduced into the copy and is lost.

With each copy of the image, it meaning varies within its surrounding. Paintings may be transformed into something else as seen on page 25 where a painting of an allegorical figure is cropped into a portrait of a girl (Berger 25). "Paintings are often reproduced with words around them" and dictates a person's interpretation (Berger 27). As seen in Van Gogh's painting of the cornfield, the words that accompanies and provides information undoubted changed a person's view in some way (Berger 28). I think context is extremely important to pictures as they help us understand the meaning it tries to convey. Copies allow changes to be made to the context which changes the meaning.

Berger, John. Ways of Seeing. London: British Broadcasting Corporation, 1972. Print.

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Ways of Seeing Chapter 1-2 response

Post  Kwanruk on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:55 pm

After reading Ways of Seeing and friends' responses to it, I agree that there are many factors that produce influences on our seeing. Most important among them that I can summarize are two factors.

Firstly, it is the knowledge behind the scene which Berger puts in his own words as "our perception or appreciation of an image depends also upon our own way of seeing" (10). To illustrate, the perceptions towards Frans Hals's painting, "Regentesses of the Old Men's Alms House," differ between that of the people who do not know Hals's background as a former prisoner and that of those who know it (see page 13-14). In addition, this case also applies to the way people think about Van Gogh's “Wheat Field With Crows”. People's interpretation, perception or degree of appreciation derived from the painting depend on whether people look at the painting with or without the description which says, “This is the last picture that Van Gogh painted before he killed himself” (27-28). As for myself, the way I saw the painting with and without the description differs too. Without the description, I focused on the elements in the painting such as birds and field. With description, however, I began to see the painting as chaotic and confusing in which I assume that might be Van Gogh's state of mind while painting the piece.

The second factor is the way in which the image is brought to us or the way it is reproduced. When an image is reproduced, the original meaning tends to be more or less eliminated and the new meaning is added. To borrow Berger’s words, “(t)he means of reproduction are used to politically and commercially disguise or deny what their existence makes possible” (30). One clear example can be seen in the case of reproduction of famous paintings where the parts of the original painting are cropped, thus, destroys the original meaning of the painting and the new meaning is added. The other example is the case where the image of a painting is brought to us via television or website. This means that the painting is not viewed in the place where it is originally situated such as in a museum (where the painting is usually given importance by lighting). This, therefore, can affect the viewers’ perception towards the painting.

All in all, it can be concluded that there are various different ways of seeing, depending on many factors. In my opinion as a design student, I would like to consider this as a celebration of humans’ ability as it adds up dynamics to the world. Without the ability to see things differently, I think there would be no such beautiful things as imagination, creativity or innovation and the world would become a boring place to live.

Berger, John. Ways of Seeing. London: British Broadcasting Corporation and Penguin Books Ltd, 1972, Print.

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ch1-2 response

Post  Praewpailin Srisangnam on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:03 am

After I read the 2 chapters of the book Ways of seeing by John Burger, I agree with the very first sentence of the book that “Seeing come before words” (p.7). Human is easier to observed and analyze the way they see than to read , for example when you see a magnificent cathedral you cannot explain how amazing it is to your friend because seeing is something you can feel from the atmosphere and the surrounding environment you could also see the texture and details which words cannot covered the whole experience just like the expression “a picture is worth a thousand words”. On the other hand I agree with “The way we see thing is affected by what we know or what we believed”(p.Cool . The reason why each person sees differently is because we came from different places at different time so when you see you have a different point of view. For example when I was young I want to ride a unicorn because I thought it was one of horse’s breed but now I realized that they don’t even exist and it is only in the fairytale.

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Way of Seeing Chapter 1-2

Post  Nathakit on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:05 am

When we explore the way of seeing, it’s true that it is affected by what we know from past experience or what our beliefs are. Our eyes are one of the five tools to perceive our surroundings. We must see before we can speak about it therefore we perceive the image into our thoughts then we think what we are going to say. This doesn’t mean that we could think up of every word for what we see for example when our emotions overwhelms us which no words can describe the feeling.

When people think of a particular subject, they could have the same opinion on the subject or completely different opinion. Images contain a way of seeing. For example photographs contains a way of seeing, which is through the photographers eyes and “the way people look at the art works is affected by a whole series of learnt assumptions about art.”(Berger.1972.11). This suggests that people expresses their opinion on their past experiences. So people with art background would expresses their ideas and opinion in one way whereas people who don’t have an art background would expresses their ideas and opinions differently.

As times passes, picture value and perception from people change. The artwork is more open to the public and people can reproduce it and but duplicates as well. This devalues the artwork greatly and so the authenticity fades away. This makes people not think about the artworks meanings anymore but instead its market value. So by seeing “the original of reproduction”(Berger.1972.21), we no longer perceive what the images uniqueness say but what it is instead.

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way of seeing response

Post  Kritchanat on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:17 am

I agree with this quote “The eye of the other combines with our own eye to make it fully credible that we are part of the visible world”( P.9 ) Because it is impossible that one person can see the whole purpose of an artwork or reality. One thing needs more than one perspective to be complete. Everyone has different ways of seeing things due to how they live, how they grow, their surrounded atmosphere, different believes and religion. All the perspective combines together to form a fully visible world. “This difference can be illustrated in terms of what was thought of as perspective”(p.16) this quote resemble the idea of the previous quote. An art have one form but the viewer have many perspective, therefore the viewers will have different ideas and understanding of the arts. Perspective is an important part of understanding in human nature.

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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA

Post  Natthakit on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:28 am

Our own eyes cannot give us certainty, as suggested by Berger that, “The relation between what we see and what we know is never settled (p.7).” This implies that our perception can alter or contrast our knowledge in many ways. People see things differently. What we see and how we interpret it is dependent on our cultural backgrounds, what we believe and our personal knowledge (p.Cool. Therefore, we have our own perspectives of how we view the world or even art. To a certain extent, what we see also shaped most of our beliefs but that may not be the truth.

“...Every image embodies a way of seeing, our perception or appreciation of an image depends also upon our own way of seeing.” The artist’s or photographer’s ways of seeing will show on their work which is their way of seeing (p.10). This quote reminds me of the paradox of aesthetics judgement. For example, one person believe that the standards of aesthetics does exist, however, people also believe that how we view art and the beauty of it depends on the taste of each person and there are no way of judge people’s taste since there are no guidelines on how people see.

On page 19, it is said that art loses it uniqueness because of the invention of cameras. “When camera reproduces a painting, it destroys the uniqueness of its image.” In my opinion, the invention of camera does not interfere the uniqueness of art but instead, it allows people from all over the world to explore art beyond their home town or their country. In the present, cameras (and internet) allows us to see more and for that reason, we also know more.

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Way of seeing response

Post  Sethavudh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:48 am

According to John Berger's Book "images were first made to conjure up the appearances of something that was absent" (page 10). It's define that everything we see through our eyes is a flash. A flash which people called perspectives. I agree with these ideas. Normally people do believes what they see but the way we see things is actually supported by knowledge,culture and personal perspective.

The camera is a magnificent useful equipment to explain the writer purpose."The camera isolated momentary appearances and in so doing destroyed the idea that images were timeless"(page 18). It's clearly that pictures or work of art are immune from time, But what is so call emotional or feeling are things that can't gain by seeing it, noted by the writer "close your eyes, move round the room and notice how the faculty of touch is like a static"(page 9).it creates an idea that to express something we should understand it. I would say that I'm agree and disagree with what he wrote. this new pages of history after the invention of camera, people can see things more different, new method to be argued and also none-stop of people development in knowledge and arts.

Berger, J. (1972). Way Of Seeing, 35 Marylebone High Street, London: British Broadcasting Cop.

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Reading Response (1-2)

Post  Winchana Prucksananont on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:00 am

As I read chapter 1 and 2 from the book “Ways of Seeing” by John Berger. I totally agree with what he expressed “Seeing comes before words”(p.7) and “The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe in”(p.Cool since it depends on personal’s perspective to judge things what they have seen or known. For instance, the appreciation and perception in a painting of spectators will not be the same. To elaborate, people have various thought and ways of seeing because they come from different surrounding and environment. Then, the understanding of people will never be the same. Another point is the invention of camera changed the way people saw painting. In my opinion, it was the great advantage because people around the world got the chance to saw the beauty of the painting even though the quality is not the same. At last, I do agree with what Berger said “When the camera reproduces a painting, it destroys the uniqueness of its image”.

John Berg. "1 & 2." Way of Seeing. 35 Marylebone High Street, London: British Broadcasting Cop., 1972.



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Re: Global Art History : Berger Response INDA

Post  Thanwarat on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:02 am

According to the beginning of “Way of Seeing”, a book by John Berger, “Seeing comes before words.” (p.7). Before we could explain anything into words, we see and recognize what it is. Images are more precise than literature (p.10), we can understand by looking at the subject and know exactly what it is. But when one sees an image, the meaning of it may not be the same as the other, because people have different perspective and express it in many ways. Photographer express his perspective by capturing a moment with a camera, the picture maybe different from the real scenery, as the photographer try to convey what he thought into his work, it is depends on how the beholder perceive his perspective. As we see and convey it to others, our perspectives combine with others; we are part of the visible world (p.9). People from different context have different ideas about things around them because the way they see thing is affected by what they know or what they believe (p.Cool. Experiences are the main factor of human’s knowledge and believe. Different experiences leads to different perspectives. Different perspectives diversify our surrounding.

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response chapter 1-2

Post  Sutinee Prongmake on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:05 am

After reading the book “Ways of Seeing” by John Berger , I agree with the statement which says "seeing comes before words"(p.7) and " the way we see things is affected by what we know and what we believe "(p.Cool. For myself, I reckon most people seem to get overall information by pictures more than words because people are more likely to get ideas from pictures or what they see faster than words or what they read that’s why commercials use the strategy of motion pictures more than explaining verbally such as the advertisements on television , newspaper or magazine . Therefore, I believe that when people are looking at the same picture one might think positively while others might think negatively or somebody might feel indifferent about it.Their attitudes might be different because of their experiences, religion, culture, or how they were brought up etc. Thus, that’s why people do not have the same interpretation and lead individuals have their own thought.


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Post  Thida J. on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:05 am

According to the Ways of Seeing by John Berger, at the very beginning of the book "Seeing comes before words. The child looks and recognizes before it can speak" (7). Based on the statement, it is true that seeing comes before words and a child will have to see before he can call what it is. As seen in the Key of Dreams painting by Magritte on page 8; there are a horse, a clock, a jug, and a suitcase, but the words under them in fact we know they are incorrect. If we'd have started it out to call a horse as the door at the beginning of our life we would have called it like that because we have taught it like that. In the other hand, we have opinions after we see things, for instance; you will have positive opinions on someone's appearance after your first impression of seeing her. Seems like it is every time though that seeing comes before words, such as when you judge people by their appearance, you still have to look how she is before you judge her. Moreover, mostly everything that comes before words because it has to be seen, heard, touched, etc before you can express it by words.

Referring to "The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe"(8 ).
I agree on this statement and believe that when most people see a painting that hangs in the gallery, their opinions are different. Due to the difference of ages, experiences, religions, cultures, etc, we see things differently and we have our own individual tastes. Some people might be impressed of what a painter express on his painting and some might not, because of the different way we see things. For instance, students before taking art classes understand the meaning of a painting less than after taking the classes, this shows how they have been taught and their aspect of seeing things have changed.

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Post  Vasinth Ratanaphaithun on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:12 am

The book "Ways of Seeing" poses multiple aspects of how a person perceives or views something regarding to the time and place, the impressions viewers leave, and the impact of the idea of 'reproduction' through the invention of cameras that led to a diverse understanding of the original artwork. Firstly, I strongly agree to Berger's statement, "The way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe" (p.18 ) and "The relation between what we see and what we know is never settled" (p.7). Theoretically, every individual is born with a set of norms, cultural background, religion, what we think is true/untrue/right/wrong as well as the impact we get from people in our surroundings contributes to the variation of our thoughts and interpretation. We might say that in some actions such as prostitution or nudity, the majority of people think is morally wrong, but some ignore it.

I find it interesting that Berger mentioned that the invention of cameras and technology create a distortion of the meaning of the original artwork and extremely made an impact of how people interpret art. If I were to compare a reproduced image from a magazine with the real artwork itself, I'd say that both leave a different impression to me. Berger also mentioned that unlike the reproduced image, the original artwork can 'lend' itself. I find it an appealing statement because the original artwork gives me a better understanding and leads me to question how the artwork was made, what is portrayed, and gives a sense of imagery. However on the other hand, the inventions of cameras are beneficial for public use, which I think is a contributing factor to gaining the artwork's reputation.

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Post  Guntana on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:28 am

I do agree with some of above responses, and also have different opinions against some.

The early sentence from the book ‘Ways of seeing’ by John Berger, “seeing comes before words” (p.7) got my attention from the first time I read it. New born babies open their eyes to see the world, and describe it without saying a word. They recognize all the surroundings and learn from them.

By this idea combined with the quote “the way we see things is affected by what we know or what we believe,” (p.Cool I can learn that what we try to communicate doesn’t mean the same in each human thoughts. After the babies grow up and have their own beliefs, they lose the ability of imagination. They define what they see, touch, and taste by words. They tell those to others and make them believe what they believe.

Then questions come into my head, what if descriptions written under all the art works in museums were wrong? What if what I think I understand today was different from what the painters wanted to tell in past? What if all I know about arts were just only someone’s belief?
The absolutely correct answers will never be filled in the blanks. They left them as mysteries.
In my opinion, arts should not be described by words. Since the ways of seeing changes every ages, the meaning of those paintings and photos should be recognized and understood by those people who belong in that era.

Moreover, I do not agree with the saying “when the camera reproduces a painting, it destroys the uniqueness of its image” (p.19). In contrast, it is just another way of seeing. It did not destroy the uniqueness, but it makes a difference. We just need to see it from the different point of view.

Berger, J. Ways of seeing. London: British Broadcasting Corporation. 1972.

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